Can my father's congestive heart failure improve?
Is there a way for improving congestive heart failure? My father is 78 years old and has been diagnosed with congestive heart failure and kidney about six years ago. He was recently in the emergency room due to shortness of breath. The attending cardiologist said he is in the final stages of CHF, has an ejection factor of 10%, and that there is nothing more that can be done for him. His prognosis is terminal and he is now on hospice care. However, I see support websites stating that there are women with EFs of 10% who are improving congestive heart failure. How is this possible?
I am sorry that your father is not doing well. Heart failure is a tricky problem, especially when people get uncomfortable with shorthess of breath. I understand that the CHF website may have told you stories of people doing fine with terrible hearts. Please remember that every patient is different. Part of the problem with your father is probably his kidneys, which you may understand are very important when you have heart failure. Many of the drugs we give for the heart make the kidneys work harder to pee out the excess fluid that gets into the lungs. If the kidneys are not doing well, they will not respond to the medications, and there is no other way to get the fluid out of the lungs if the kidneys are not working.
If the cardiologist at the hospital told you that your father is in the end stages of heart failure, I am sure it is true. What is important now is that he is comfortable and not in pain. Hospice will have other ways to help him make him comfortable since the heart medications are not working well anymore.
i hope ur dad is ok my mum died 2 weeks ago from heart failure stay strong for him god bless
In my opinion, I would seek advice from an Naturopathic doctor who can tell you of some natural remedies that can strengthen your father's heart and possibly kidneys as well. Sure you dad might be 78 but I don't think it's right to just have the medical profession throw up their hands and say, "time to let him go." I had that happen with my mom eight years ago. No doctor would try and find out why she was so anemic. After checking for a GI bled and finding nothing we were told to find her a Nursing Home. She died in just over 2 months. I am so sorry about your father but I wouldn't give up. Check out Dr. Bruce West, he has some wonderful ideas on heart health. Good luck and may God bless your dad and you.
One persons age of 78 may be "over the hill" anothers not! Don't let physicians previously unknown to the elder make any "assumtions" about their "worth" on this planet! My husband is four months away from eighty and going strong. He just singlehandedly installed 26 new led lights on the six horse trailer he pulls. The job entailed being up and down on a ladder, working with a commercial sized electric drill and even crawling up into the gooseneck portion of the trailer to work the wires on the inside! I'm not saying it was easy, but he still functions! He is a husband, a dad and a granddad I sure won't let anyone "write him off" anytime soon! Famlies, stand with your loved ones, don't sit meakly by, don't hesitate to go to appointments with mom or pops! Be heard!
i just went thru this with my hubby bill. he died last sunday 8-1-2010. you would not like to extend his life. at first daughter said no resitation i looked at her and said no also we did not want him to be a vegetable. he was in i.c.u. total eight days suffering for all of us. 1st time they called me and said they pulled tthe plug i changed my mind and said put it back in.!!! she said they will do it right away and change the form. all eight days we visited him. they pulled the plug again and put it in his nose. he was never in a coma. but we visited him i could not understand his talk i called daughter in she was the only 1 to understand him. home i want to go home with you. she told him all the things that needed to be done yet. 2 1/2 days later first time i ate at home 3 xs visited him, i got a call at 9:30 p.m. saying they coded him all i could say was quietly yes, yes and hung up. waiting for my daughter to pick me up i ran next door to tell the lady tell dave bill next door bill died, then i went across the street to tell ben. he asked if i am alright, i said yes but getting all choked up. he watched me go home to wait for kim. i cried going to i.c.u. my kim said to her son let grandma go in first. i did. 1st thing i noticed all machines gone. bill lying flat on his bed. his stomache still inflated. i started screaming and crying. kim and her son came in she told me to come hold his hand on 1 side. i ddid i said it is cold. they held his other hand on the other side still warm . as i was going out a nurse was coming in, she told me this plunger needle holds morphine so he does not feel hurt or anything in what they had to do yet. i shook my head yes. after we went into the chapel and said the rosary out loud. do not let him go through all that pain. i see it was selfishness on my part now i was not ready to let him go. i lit candles for him here. i was married to him 39 years 2 months, he made his 70th birthday 7-16-2010 which he wanted to very much and he gave me my children TYVMMM.
I have congestive heart failure, I'm 63 and have had it for about 6 years. I use an herb called Arjuna or "Terminalia arjuna". I take 3 each day. Wikipedia it and google it. The brand I use is Himalaya from herbalprovider.com This brand is Organic and very high quality. Arjuna helps strengthen the heart muscle and has been shown to improve ejection fraction and blood flow. Also good for angina, cholesterol, blood pressure After about 2-3 months using it, my breathing is quite good. I am also using Lasix as a diruetic. I also take a strong vitamin regimen and Blue-Green Algae(StemEnhance by Stemtech and Omega Sun by Simplexity Health) I refuse to accept doctors statements about getting or not getting better, they do not know about supplements and herbs, only pharmaceuticals. My 2 cardiologists scratch their heads and say "you must have an energizer battery in there" and "You are a Miracle". That's good validation, in my book.
thank you for this information I just ordered some of the arjuna. I take about 7 different scripts from the doctor and I am always dizzy and sleepy. thanks again
My mom, also has CHF for last 12 years and for last 2 years condition had worsened. Now she is recovering back with Arjuna, Curcumin, Total Heart (Ayurvedic preparation from Planet Ayurveda), and in addition to it CoQ 300 mg (3 times a day) with L-carnitine, Omega-3/Krill oil and in addition to it Hawthorn Berry extract (500 mg) serves as natural vasodilator along with L-arginine. Her condition has drastically improved, and no hospitalisation for last 2 yrs, while the previous year, she was hospitalised 6 times in a year.
Im still exploring solutions in Ayurveda and Herbal suppliments.
My Dear Reddie: I just read about your Father's CHF and I'm sincerely sorry that he is going through final stages. I am NOT a doctor, but an individual that cares about others and what they go through. I am a CHF paitient and also a survivor of 2 massive heart attacks. The 2nd one that I had on 11/17/10, well I can tell you that I died and was gone for 2 minutes before I was zapped a 2nd time by the Defibrilator that brought me back. I remember EVERYTHING that happened to me before I died. But as you can see I am here today. I take 5 meds everyday. One of the meds is 325mg of asprin. My doctor told me that I no longer needed to take the asprins and if I were to still take them everyday, it would not hurt. On the other hand, I take and eat raw garlic on occasion and I also make a drink that contains raw ginger root cut into peices and I put them in a blender with peeled whole lemons that are cut up. I have 9 lemons, 10 or more garlic cloves that are peeled and chopped. Then ginger root is about 4 to 5 good slices that are cut and then chopped. I add about a 1/4 cup of water and put it into the blender. I blend them together until it mixed real well. I get a pot and put in 6 to 8 cups of water. I pour the contents from the blender into the pot and let cook to a boil. After it comes to a boil, I lower the heat so that it simmers for 20 miuntes. After the 20 minutes are up, I take off the lid and then I strain everything into another pot or pitcher and let the water mixture pour into the other container. As you pour the liquid into the other container, you can smell thew garlic, lemon, and ginger roots and its a very theraputic smell. I then pour a glass of the mixture and drink one when it's hot, because I like it like that. The rest I place into the fridge and have it again the next day. You can drink up to 3 glasses a day and it won't hurt. The purpose of this mixture is to help clean out the arteries of the heart from any cholesterol build up in the walls. You do this for about 3 months, and you will notice a great difference in the way you feel and breath. The Ginger and Garlic are the key to clearing out arteries of the heart. And if your arteries are clear, then your blood flow won't be so restricted. So I hope this helps you and again, very sorry about your Father. God Bless You. This is Guy and I work for the Red Cross in Blood Services in Los Angeles, CA. Now going on almost 22 years in July 2013. Big Hugs and Kisses to you. Chow!!!
My father is diagnosed with congestive heart failure and has only one kidney working and that one has a blockage,also diabetes type II. He is 70 and in hospice.He is a VETERAN. I offered cinnamon for diabetes and kale for kidneys. He wants bacon.I want to try EECP therapy and he agreed yet I'm not sure he will make it that long to try it.SOMEONE HELP ME! I'm an only child but I can't believe my Army Strong DAD is facing death in a hospice.He is so drugged up from the pain.I'm fighting for him
I do not know where to post regular comments. I have been reading this a lot for last 4weeks. I'm 42. I was a fireman for 18 years until I had severe pain 5 weeks ago. Doctor sent me to cardiologist. After lots of test. CHF with EF 10%. 4 to 6 Meds then to 9 back to 6. 2 weeks in hospital. I have went down from being about to walk a little to now I can't stand up. My cardiologist said I will be like this for a year then be able to walk to mailbox. The cardiologist at Rehab said 30 days. I wish I could post this in correct section
200mg thiamine (Vitamin B1 & complex) a day for 7-10 days, see how he goes...
3 yrs ago I was hospitalised with chf. I became so weak I couldn't get from my bed to a wheel chair without help, and so bloated from edema ( water retention) that went from 160 lbs to 210 lbs. the dr. put me on several meds and in a care facillity. After some research, I started taking coq10, salmon oil, hawthorne berry, magnesium, and ginger root tea (raw root grated and boiled), while continuing the meds. Gradually the dr. started reducing meds as i got stronger. On a routine check my dr. got concerned with my heart rate getting so low (42 bpm). She sent me in for an EKG, echocardiogram, and holt monitor. the test showed that my heart was functioning normally, so the the dr. took me of all meds. My heart rate is now an average of 60 bpm, and my ejection fraction is in the low range of normall (63%) I am continuing the supplements, and feelling stronger. Going for long walks, and getting mor active. I'm not a dr. nor am I giving advice. Just sharing my story. God bless and good health.
I was so sorry to read about your dad, I have CHF for four years now, At first, they didn't hold out much hope and classed me as NY stage IV now I am stage I. I refused to listen to morbid talk and I said to the Medics most Drs will have me dead and buried. I decided to live life normally from the start I exercised and did my normal household chores and gardening except I really paced myself and would work for an hour then rest spread eagled on the bed for half an hour. I did follow the dietary advice to the T low fat no salt etc plus I ate fish every day I drink ginger root tea and use green tea lemon water and honey and didn't have to use a diuretic which spared my kidneys. At the first sign of an infection, I went to the Drs and got antibiotics as chest, sinus, water, shingles etc infections can worsen heart failure. I stay clear of all types of pain killers and used ice packs and heat for pain.After the first year, all my meds were lowered to half doses and the Medics were left looking at me and saying this is amazing. I also went for chiropractor adjustments to keep the electric signals working properly. My advice is to remember everybody is different do what you can with diet and lifestyle changes try everything after all like me you have nothing to loose and everything to gain. I personally believe medics do not fully understand Heart Failure and are inclined to stay with a one size fits all in medications where I believe in some people these meds, in the long run, make you worse and if you can improve your symptoms naturally and lower the meds you will do better. Stay strong, stay positive know your meds and be very careful with interactions from food herbs and prescription meds especially some antibiotics. Good luck everyone
My mother was recently diagnosed with CHF. Her ejection fraction is at 35-40%. She has no history of heart disease and has stage 3 ovarian cancer. Her oncologist is trying to figure out what caused the CHF. She was recently hospitalized due to fluid build up around her heart and lungs at the time of her hospitalization her ejection fraction was at 25%, it went up to 35-40%. She is on diuretics and plavix and colchicine. Can she take the supplements you have mentioned in this thread along with her prescription meds. I refuse to let people think she is going down from this. She has been fighting cancer for the last 2.5 years. The immunotherapy treatment she's on has kept her stable. CHF won't taker her down. I appreciate any advice.
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