How can I get emergency guardianship of my adult son who has a mental illness?
Our son is young adult with schizophrenia. He suffers severe delusions and has been hospitalized numerous times in the past year.Would a guardianship help me help preserve his rights when he disagrees with taking harsh drugs? What are the risks and benefits of guardianship in such a case?
As noted below, there are advantages and disadvantages to setting up a conservatorship, but in your son’s case, it might provide the best protection against medical treatment that you feel may be overzealous.
The advantages include that a guardianship:
- Lets family members know that someone is making decisions
- Gives clear legal authority to deal with third parties, and
- Provides a process to have a judge approve major decisions.
The disadvantages of a guardianship include that it is:
- Costly to set up, requiring a lawyer, legal papers, and a court hearing
- Time-consuming, including extensive ongoing paperwork
- Can be humiliating for a parent who is still somewhat capable, and
- Can be emotionally difficult if family members disagree about who should be conservator.
Two years ago I had to make the difficult decision to act on the behalf of a loved one for their safety mainly and their health. We went through a family lawyer and I was able to become guardian. This has proven to be the most beneficial decision for the family. I must emphasize, though, how important it is to maintain contact with the caretakers if the person is in a residential setting and always take a proactive initiative. Do not assume you will always be informed unless you are known to his/her caretaking community. There are many people on many shifts at the facilities doing a job that is very difficult on a daily basis. Most other residents where my sibling lives are not looked in on by their family members at all. Good luck. Do not give up. This condition lasts their lifetime and yours. For your own health you will know what is best. Mental health disease robs us of the future our loved ones may have had but we must help to protect their future for the sake of their future health and safety, ours and others. It was a very difficult choice but the best one in our case. I did this after my parents were deceased which was also very difficult emotionally for everyone but had to be done so that they did not become wards of the state. You as parents can do this and name someone to carry out your responsibility so that in the event of your death their care is continued to their best interest. Maybe their treatment can be temporary. But that answer will still take time to find out. My prayers for your decision.
Dear Bitzygal: In response to your question-will you be able to get help when the loved one refuses medicines-in our case I was. Keep an open dialogue with caretakers, social workers or other therapists or even observant family and friends involved with helping you care for this person so that you can foresee this happening... You may need to call 911 to transport the individual to hospital but because you have guardianship, you can make that decision. They may still refuse while in the hospital but in the proper care and under supervision the situation can be assessed so that the next appropriate procedures can be set in motion. It is a most difficult type of tough love...they won't like you but your love for them has to be your motivator to preserve their quality of life as well as yours. The alternative is not anything I like to consider. While my parents were alive, they really did not have any control over the choices that were made for the person that was ill merely by being the parents. A person with a different type of illness-cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc., may also choose to refuse medicine, and we see this be to be unhealthy, too. These illnesses do not result, however, in outcomes which have the potential to cause disastrous harm to themselves or other people, which, thankfully our family has avoided. Be vigilant and thoughtful. Worrying 24 hours is not a solution, though. My prayer life and my family are also very supportive.
Unfortunately drugs ARE the answer. I got guardianship of my schizophrenic brother after suffering for years of med noncompliance and it changed life for the whole family. I did it by myself without a lawyer. The system is broken and will mostly not help you and when it comes to this save yourself the years it will waste and get guardianship now! I wish we had done it 30 years ago. The hardest part for me was getting the medical certificate from "professionals" treating him. No one wants to stick their neck out and its messed up. Do whatever it takes including lying if/when you have to. He needs to be on disability immediately! He should be associated with the dept of mental health, have a social worker and a prescriber, in home care if he lives on his own and stable housing. I started with the basics before getting guardianship. Clean house, clean clothes and food in the pantry. Get him used to having you around and do what you have to to take care of him. Lawyers will charge you tons and most likely not be successful. You have the right to represent yourself and when the court people got frustrated or surly I would remind them of that fact. Temporary guardianship can be obtained during a crisis and that's the time to do it. During or right after a hospitalization go for temporary guardianship. It can then become permanent. Don't ask for a big guardianship - ask to be able to get services, health care info etc.. If your son is like my brother he can't take care of himself in his condition. It's absolutely crazy to expect someone with such a sever mental illness to do so..good luck and I'm here to tell you things get soooo much better when you have a team in place - a saftey net to hold him close and keep him safe. Now my bro has a DMH worker, a day program 3 days a week and a ride there and back. He has disability, housing, food stamps, a free cell phone, a visiting nurse who comes every night to make sure he takes medicine and check on him, a great doctor and a therapist! Do it now and save yourself years of worry and emergency calls and the stress that all that puts on you and your family....good luck - time for tiger mode!
Hello Anonymous Caregiver,
My mom found your response above to be very encouraging. You gave her hope for our youngest sibling who is currently on his second 5250 hold since March.
She asked me to reach out and request for contact. I know you are probably very busy and don't want to go over telling your situation with your family member again, but my mom would like to find out what specific steps you took to get your brother the care he needs.
My brother's illness has drained our family savings and we no longer have the resources. Any information you can share will be heaven-sent.
Thank you, Dexie
Anonymous Caregiver, I also would like to know the steps you took to get there. I have an 18 yr old son who is severely delusional and the docs want to set him out to a homeless shelter. I cannot bring him home because I have an 11 yrs old daughter and his delusions are mostly sexual. so you understand why I cant bring him home but at the same time this is my son. does anyone have any suggestions?
I too would like info on what steps you took to get guardianship I have struggled for 8 years with my 27 year old daughter who has schizophrenia she is refusing to take her medication AGAIN and I fear whats coming - I need to keep her safe. please any help would be appreciated.
Five years since making the decision it was still the right one. Each year that goes by reassures me of that. Their health and safety as well as that of those around them makes it doubly correct. Prayers help us all but thank God daily for good medicine and trained and caring health care workers. Emotionally it is difficult but not caring for them this way would have been morally wrong of me. They realize it as well. We discuss it a lot. The caring professionals where they reside are reassuring and they are so under appreciated and greatly misunderstood by outsiders to the serious nature of mental health behaviors. There does not seem to be a cure but maintenance must be established. I could go into lots more detail but would rather protect some privacy. A lawyer will know the proper procedure to take to bring this issue to court. The person taken as a ward may be shown to be a harm to his health or others or unable to care for themselves.
Each state has different resources and it would be nice to be able to have a list of those resources, whether State or Private or Non-profit and their ratings. Today I paid to have a lawyer retained to obtain guardianship and it was very expensive. There are not many lawyers that do the guardianship. If I had known that I could do it myself I would cancel that check, but I already signed a contract.
My daughter is 23 and bipolar, she just got out of the mental health hospital for the 2nd time in 5 weeks. I'm trying to save her from herself or hurting someone else in the process. The system sucks! I need to get her in a facility for more than 72 hours without her being able to sign herself out. Any information to help me do this is very much appreciated. Today she even hooked up with a guy she met in the mental unit at the hospital. I almost wish that she would get arrested so no one would bail her out.
I have to say I am very surprised to see a parent calling antipsychotics "harsh." Schizophrenia is the harshest thing I have ever seen. It is a terrible monster that invades the most precious organ... the seat of whom we ARE. I am a psychologist; I have worked in residential psychiatric settings for years and the biggest problem I have seen with medication is difficulties with compliance.
I have had many parents ask me how they can get their children to take their medication... I have only once had a patient express negative feelings about psychiatric meds... and that was because of religious beliefs that include refusal of all medical help.
Schizophrenia is a vile, ugly monster that robs a person of his own mind. I hate it. I hate to see young people disappear under this terrible thing. As of this date, medication is the best thing we have. It certainly isn't perfect, but it can be helpful. And we have good, solid research demonstrating a robust benefit to the brain from taking antipsychotic meds. Schizophrenic patients who do not take their meds suffer more neuronal loss. The brain of the schizophrenic literally loses mass over time. The medication is protective. It is very important to understand this. Antipsychotic medications reduce loss of brain mass.
Schizophrenia is a lifelong, progressive brain disease. It is the cruelest disease in existence. Medication is the best tool you have. Yes, some of the side effects are uncomfortable, but schizophrenia is much, much worse. And as your son has had many hospitalizations, that tells me he is very ill, indeed. Hospitalization is a lot more rare than it used to be.
I am so sorry you must carry this burden, Bitzygal, and if I had the power to lift the horrors of schizophrenia from your child and the burdens of it all from your shoulders, I should be so very glad to do so. My heart aches for you... I have seen the pain parents must endure more times than I care to think about. Sometimes the grief of the parents is more painful to me than witnessing the beautiful promise in a young person being strangled slowly from his mind by this monster. I am so very sorry you are going through this. But please do encourage him to take his meds.
Dear Desperate Mother, I have the exact same problem with my mentally ill son. He just checked himself out of the hospital and is now homeless for the 4th or 5th time. And he has been in jail several times. Those were the times that I was at peace knowing he was safe, had a roof over his head and had 3 meals a day. Lets face it. It's our societies answer for housing the mentally ill since all the hospitals were closed down. I am 65 years old and I don't think getting guardianship at this point in my life is good for me. No one else in the family cares. He won't take his meds the minute he gets out of the hospital he will stop taking them.
I am 77 and considering getting guardianship over my 48 yr old paranoid schizophrenic daughter. I don't think I can handle her anymore. Who can take over??? She's in hosp. now but when they let her out, she'll be homeless. A very tired Mother,
Guardianship of a mentally ill son. Have it. It only helps to have some say so.basically there is little to no long term help for mental illness that I have found. Just makes me responsible for a child who chooses too self medicate with harmful things all the while becoming more helpless and dangerous too himself at 30... Im left with broken heart and wallet...still back at square one 15 yrs later. My strength is waning...
I was considering guardianship for my 29 year old son who is schizophrenic and attempted suicide this week. He may now have permanent physical damage that will hinder him eating and drinking. From what I've read here, it won't really help much. He really needs residential care. There aren't any hospitals in Oklahoma for long term care anyway. Thank you poster "tired in tulsa" for your info, it was helpful. I'm in Tulsa too. Wishing for help to keep him safe from the voices that torment him 24/7. He only takes his medicine when he is forced to. :(
I have a 29 year son who is paranoid schizophrenic and I would like to get guardianship over him. He is very difficult to live with. In fact, I rarely could sleep in my home being afraid of what he would do. I developed Vertigo from the stress. My son has been homeless before because of this. He was recently in an apartment run by a mental health institute for many years but lately he has been getting worse and worse. This is his third time being in the hospital this year of 2015. Just today he became extremely violent and the mental health organization will no longer let him live in this supervised apartment. Now I'm in the position of looking for a place for him. Financially I don't have a lot of money and would like to know how to assume guardianship without going through a lawyer? I am in crisis mode right now! My son is being held temporarily in the hospital. Can someone help me?
I also have a very sick adult child. My heart goes out to everyone of you having to deal with such a heartbreaking situation. My daughter is 23 and Bipolar and an addict. Has tried to kill herself over 10 times. Been to many clinics, rehabs, therapists...You name it. She is on probation for 3 felonies. I just want to commit her for her safety and societies safety. I cannot believe it is okay to have mentally ill people running free in this society. All that happens to them is they go to jail, families with resources can pay to put them somewhere, or they die... I want my daughter to live. I am trying to figure out how to get guardianship over her so I can start utilizing everything I can find to help her. Because she is an adult I cannot do much of anything for her, except love her. Any advice in how to get guardianship and find ways to help my daughter before she is either incarcerated or dead? Thanks!
I meant to say that she is a severe borderline and possible schizophrenic
Hello to all of you with young adult schizophrenic children. I am the mother who like most of you had to watch my once normal happy son change overnight into a person who we no longer knew. My son who turned 30 this past year has been on meds for the past 11 years and diagnosed as schizophrenic-it is not manageable, my son has not been able to return to work, he is compliant with his meds only because he doesn't want to be put back in the hospital. My son at 18 started hearing voices and complained of hand cramps, stayed awake for days on end because he thought he was going to die when he slept, he quit eating fearing he would choke from difficultly swallowing and the panic attacks.etc.. I assumed the hospital would run tests to rule out any physical problem apparently i was wrong. Fast forward 8 years my youngest son turns 15 went from an above average student fun outgoing kid to someone i don't even know. My dad says its as if a switch was flipped and my boys were turned off. I have paid special attention to my youngest because of my oldest. After 3 years of being dismissed and treated as if my son is just a spoiled brat and by the grace of God i found a dr who listened with blood tests and a MRI I got an answer that makes sense. My boys have Chiari Malformation. I have always said heal your body and your mind will follow. Unfortunately now I have to do something to make my youngest understand that he needs the decompression surgery to relieve the pressure in his head, so his cs fluid will flow correctly. My 30 year old who is on a shit load of meds and my 18 year old who is on no meds act exactly the same. Also would like to add that schizophrenia is not a disease it is a condition. Good luck
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To anoumus. I also have a son that I need to get gaurdaian ship over and do not have the funds for an attorney. He has been in and out of a place and very hard to get them in. He is almost 30. I would also like to know the steps. I live 2 hrs away and have no one that can help me. Thank you
to daisym. You have given me hope. I have an almost identical situation as you. I have a younger brother with the same condition and it is almost close to impossible for him to get him to do anything unless I threaten him by calling the police and they would be the one to take him to the pysch emergency because he refuses to do on his own. He has declined every services offered him and now he sits in his room all day and watches TV. We are at our wits end. I would like to get guardianship but don't have the funds to go through a lawyer because I'm on disability as well and my Mom is elderly. It's really sad because my brother has all these resources but he refuses it all. This all kind of happened in the last couple of years. HIs pysch doctor agrees people with mental illness have too much freedom and he is even powerless to help. Thank you again for all your experiences! I need to know also what I can do to get this emergency guardianship without having to go through a lawyer. Please help!
I have been watching over my schizophrenic son for 31 years. he is now 51 years old and impossible to even be around....no help in sight
I understand everyone's frustration. My son is 30 and bipolar. He refuses treatment and doesn't believe anything is wrong with him even though he's been hospitalized several times in the past 3 years. He lives with us but has been homeless 3 times so far. He has not been able to keep a job more than 3 months in the past 10 years and won't even try. He refused to apply for disability because he refuses to see a doctor of any kind. He collects cans to recycle and buys beer to cope. I recently had to move my 80 year old mother in with me due to her failing health so I don't have the wherewithal to push him. It only causes things to explode and with my senior mom living with us now, I have to avoid things that could be hard on her. Is there any way to get disability for him when he won't cooperate?
I am getting a medical power of attorney for my mentaly ill son
Hello All, I came across this site seeking resources for the psycho-legal eval that is needed to complete my petition for guardianship over my adult son. He is 22, diagnosed schizo-effective and bi-polar. I have been his fierce advocate since the onset of his illness at age 13. Based on my experiences, I think I would be a helpful resource for parents/family who have also been in this position. He has been hospitalized countless times, med changes have been made that did not serve him well, caregivers have welcomes me and my opinion and also basically 'slammed the door' in my face because he is an 'adult', I've filed complaints, i've demanded transparent, communicative and person centered care for him..... the list goes on and on. He is of the clientele that 'doesn't fit' anywhere. He didn't DDD requirements because I applied after he turned 18, he doesn't do well in RTF's, he has cognitive challenges even when he's doing 'well', sometimes he is in denial, he has had private insurance and is currently on SSI. Right now, we are doing OK...... still need to finish the guardianship process but I think it will help in all future advocating for him. I think that it's important that all caregivers here know about the 'Joels Law" Petition for involuntary hospitalization. His most recent hospitalization was possible because of it. After 3 trips to the ER in a one week period and social workers not agreeing to contact the DMHP, I had to go over their heads. It worked and he has since been released on a LRA for the first time. Do you all know about LRA's? I'd be happy to share more information and any resources I have.
In addition, I was able to have all the costs of the guardianship paid for the state, as well as the additional cost for an evaluation.
I see a pattern. Is there something in common that has not been researched on these young adults. My daughter is 23 and going in and out of crisis centers. She started 2 years ago about. My daughter was a straight A student. Bright young lady. Very dedicated to helping others. Took on Christianity as her Religion went to an apostolic church and from there started going extreme on many things I did not catch on to what was going on because my ignorance just had me think "she will grow out of it" right now she has gone to the streets naked. She claims Jesus is coming soon. And that everyone needa to do the same like her be completly naked and follow Jesus. I dont know where it was that I failed as a mom. I didnt pay attention closely enough. Yes I feel very guilty because I am a mom. But I have been reading many of the post here and I feel there is a link. I see these comment s and there is just so many similarities in different topics but very alike. I understand the mental illness but where are these cases coming from and being so on point of similar actions. As old as I am and talked to my family trying to find a link of mental disorder or if they have ever heard of cases like these and not to this extreme. Is it something in the food. Meds vaccines. What is it?
There are so many factors that could contribute including the fact that our air,clothing,cosmetics and food are filled with so many toxins. Too many toxins for some people to eliminate because they carry gene mutations that don't allow them to like the MTHFR (and many others). Meds don't always work properly because people have other mutations that make them ultra and /or poor metabolizers of medications. (Check their CYP450 , CYP34) This info can be found by running a gene test like 23 and me. There is so much info in these tests...info that just isn't being used at the clinical level. It's negligent not to use this info in my opinion. Meds may not work due to mutations and other meds may be better for the individual. Check this information out.
The heartbreak. So many of us . Just reading this and the responses has helped me. I am a mother of 1 adult son we've been on a crazy journey for 17 years now. Just when you think it can't get worse .... I saw him today. He just got released from jail after 3 months in he's usually looking better with three squares and a cot but not this time. He literally looked like he's used the entire time. Diagnosed with multiple disorders and a very active addiction to meth. He's a scary dude these days Angry and out of his mind. My mothers heart is always wanting to do something but what the heck can you do. I've no way to house him he's unmanageable ( I've given him shelter for many years in the past , doesn't go well ) he's been in centers mental hospitals prison jail and he absolutely refuses any help . After reading these responses I now question if there's any wisdom in guardian ship what can I accomplish I have no funds to get him into centers and with his violent past places will not accept him. I won't live with him been there and done that it is not healthy from 14 years old he has never wanted to be compliant with anything. He went from being this great guy good on school awesome athlete to a gang banger drug addict to a soldier to living on the streets the last ten years. It is horrible The most horrible painful experience. My heart goes out to you all. May there be peace in your heart
To all of you, peace. We received guardianship of our 19 yr old schizophrenic son when he turned 18 -- his disease had progressed rapidly through his teens and so we felt it important to do asap. His cognition is low. He has run away and we now find that guardianship still leaves issues. It is not a be-all. If he refuses help....he refuses, guardianship or no. But that said it is really helpful when you turn to all the resources out there who can help search for a missing child. SO do it. Find legal help through nonprofit legal services. They can be a real resource.
My 41 year old son is paranoid schizophrenic but is non-compliant. He has been hospitalized numerous times and had Medicaid and food stamps at one point because a case manager helped him. But he let them lapse. He would never apply for SSDI and case manager never bothered. He is homeless and has no address or phone. I went to SS office in NJ (where he lives) with an appt but he never showed. They refused to even take and application due to the Privacy Act without him present. He is not on meds and looks like a homeless person when I saw him. I live in GA so I cannot be his Guardian. His father lives in NY. I called adult protective services and they would be willing to take him in but I do not know where he stays. I would like to get him into a group home, but as an adult, can I do anything? Can I get a legal aid lawyer involved? Any suggestions. He has not phone. This is a hard case because he will not cooperate.
MY SON JUST TURNED 20 .HES BEEN LIVING WITH MY EX HIS DAD FOR THE KAST THREE YEARS , CUZ HE KICKED SND PUNCHED ME AND WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED .HE MET A FRIEND IN HIGHSCHOOL WHOS A TERRIIBLE INFLUENCE ON HIM .WHEN HECWAS KIVING WITH ME AND HIS SISTER HE HURT US EVERYDAY.HE ALREADY HAD A DMH WORKER , A THERAPIST , A BEHAVORIST ,, A JUDGE , A PROBATION OFFICER , A OARENT PARTNER , A OUTREACH WORKER , A POLICE OFFICER THAT WAS WORKING IN THE FAMILY SERVICES DEPARTMENT ..THIS CHILD STILL COULDNT BEHAVE .HE HAD BEEN DISGNOSED EITH BIPOKAR AT AGE 5 AND ADHD , PTSD AND AN ANXIETY DISORDER .HE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF HOSPITALS SINCE HE WAS FIVE . THE CURRENT ISSUES ARE HE DOESNT SLEEP AT ALL AND STRESSES HIS DAD OUT. HE TOOK HIMSELF OFF HIS MEDS RECENTLY AND REFUSES TO TAKE HIS MEDS .HIS FATHER CONSTANTLY LIES TO ME .. HISXDAD IS SUPOSSED TO BE FINDING A NEW PSYCHIATRIST FOR HIM .( HES ALSO VERY MOODY) AS HIS MOM IBEANT TO TAKE GAURDIANSHIP OF HIS MENTAL HEALTH. , BUT IM SURE MY SON WILL REFUSE .HE AKSO DRINKS ON OCCASION AND IM SURE HIS JERK OFA FRIEND TOLD HIM TO GET OFF HIS MEDS IM VERY WORRIED ABOUT HIM , AND I CANT AFFORD A LAWYER RIGHT NOW .
.As a mom with two of my youngest chikdren 20 and 22 who both have bipolar diagnoses and other nental helth disgboses .Its imoerative to get a really good thersoist snd a Dmh worker .and a greay psychiatrist . I am going throufh stuff with my 20 yearild son right mow .Aftwr being on bupokar meds since he was five he decided to take himself off all meds .He currently lives with my ex his,dad .But his dad lies to me that hes still on his meds .I really wantvto take gaurdianship of his nental heakth .since he has nanaged to stay outvof rhe hospital for a few,years , im wondering what a judge would think ? Some important info one can get is from NAMI each state has their own site ..Im currently waiting for a call bsck , cuz i cant afford 4, 000fir a lawyer right niw .
His dad does nothing but complain .Has anyone had exoerience with adult prorective services as his Father is not doing his job at all .
Livnthemoment .Thats so hard i cant imagine .my oldest son was abused by his dads girlfriend which i didnt know .i beleive his dad abused him. pysically as,well .He tirned to drugs and alchohil but thsnk God he got off . Hes will akways be a struggling addict though . My tounest two have bipolar .My younest son used to beat on me and his sister .I had to have him arrested .My kids bio father he kives with now was on drugs and was very violent to me ..They saw a lot my kids .These chikdren of ours,will not get ckean unless theyre ready . Im so sorry to hear that sbout your son .Therevis only do much we can do ., when theyvwont help themselves .My heart and orayers go out to you snd everyone here .
My adult daughter age 21 suffers with Borderline Personality Disorder, BP and others…and also a Meth addict who is always putting her life in danger and suicidal was just admitted to a hospital by a Deputy who felt sorry for me and my frustration of not being able to help her. Problem is they're only keeping her 48 hrs and she'll be out in the streets again! What can I do that I hav'nt already done? Is there anything? I'm trying to see about getting guardianship but I'm not getting any luck when I call and I've left many messages. Why is the law against us parents? She changed overnight after she turned 18, she was ADHD as a child. I don't want my daughter to die young and that's exactly what she wants and has posted it on her FB page just today before she was picked up by the cops. Please help!
Anyone who thinks gaurdianship exist for a good reason is trying to control someones life and will just be just be a user and abuser. Quit abusing the peoples lives and taking their free will away. People go to the amy to keep free will and all you ignorent people saying oh he or she cant decide on there own. Yes the hell they can they decided not to do something and weither theres consequences to those decisions thats there right! Grow up and let them be! Leave innocent disabled people alone! They are the ones to worry about and if you really cared about them you would give them real help. A hand when they need it. A bed to sleep on when need. Help with money. Most these cases in up in a facility where there rights are taken away. There income is shatter. Real friends and family lose them. So stop the kaos and leave them the fuck alone! I got a baby on the way and a so so fake mother mades lies to her son about me when we were gonna marry the next day just to cage him. Now my child and i being pregnant will be alone. Disability is a disability. How can you live your lives knowing your taking away from more then one others life?
The best years my husband and I experienced, were when our daughter was placed under guardianship with the public guardians office. She was hospitalized by a hospital that recommended it. They applied for temporary guardianship,we declined, been their done that, didn't work well for us. She was placed in a locked facility that over time, gave her more and more freedom and responsibilities, life skills and guidance. She was later moved to a "step down" facility, where she could come and go freely. Well the whole thing collapsed when the public guardian missed the court date to reapply for guardianship. I' m guessing she had an impossible client load. She has spiraled downhill since. She has stopped mess and doctors and is homeless, delusional and unable to care for herself. We feel helpless once again. I't's been three years since she's she's gotten the help she needed. I Pray this window of opportunity opens again, but things seem to have changed. Hospitalizations aren't happening like they used to for her. Jail has happened however, which is no help a all.
Petitioning the courts for guardianship over an adult is a process that in many states/counties can be done without an attorney. You do need a Physicians Statement from a physician/psychiatrist that has seen the person within the last 90 days, the statement must detail the reasons why the physician believes the individual is mentally incapacitated. Any other evidence that can detail the decline and reasons the alleged mentally incapacitated person is in danger is very helpful. Arrest records, evictions, history of hospitalizations, etc. A limited guardianship may be the answer. Under a Limited Guardianship Order the role the guardian plays in the life of the "protected person" is exactly what the order says, "Limited". You decide with the doctor, and the incapacitated person themselves the decision making that is needed. Perhaps it is only health care decision making, insuring that if/when the Protected Person goes off of their medications, or experiences a mental health or other health crisis the Guardian can step in and make those for decisions for the Protected Person. Guardianship removes an individuals rights, but that doesn't mean the Protected Person cannot be involved in the decision making that affects their life. It is imperative in my mind that the Protected Person take part in all of the decision making they are capable of. A Guardian is to insure the Protected Person is living in safety but also with dignity. Becoming the Guardian of your adult child diagnosed with mental illness is not going to solve all of your or their problems. But, when hospitalization is needed to help re-stabilize the Protected Person, or in applying for Government Benefits, or to be able to be kept in the loop with health care and service providers, Adult Guardianship can be the answer. Resources do exist but you will have to work to find them. 1)Many State Court websites have court forms available online for anyone seeking guardianship, you should start there. Go to your state website and use the search terms Adult Guardianship forms. 2) Many counties across the nation have Legal Aid programs that can offer legal assistance with the court documents, even if only to review them to insure they meet the judge's rules. From my experience every probate judge has different rules. 2) Another place to begin is the County Clerk's office that works with the Probate Court, they can tell you the filing fees, and the documentation required. 3) Contact your Area Agency on Aging and Disability most of these agencies across the country are Aged and Disabled Resource Centers, they can offer you contact numbers and agency names. Including contact information for you local Mental Health America, or NAMI-National Alliance on Mentally Illness, again organizations with resources. 4) Some states have acts in place in which family members can attain guardianship and rehabilitation for their loved ones through a civil suit-this does require an attorney and is expensive. But if your loved with a mental illness has been self-medicating, has become an addict and can be considered a danger to themselves or others this is an avenue to explore. 5) If your loved one is experiencing a "good day or days" this may be the time to speak with them about Guardianship for the "bad times", you don't want to control them, you love them, you want to keep them safe when they are unable to do so themselves. If they resist Guardianship then start with Health Care Proxy, or Power of Attorney that details the types of incapacitating situations and also allows you access to health care information, you may also wish to add a Power of Attorney for financial decision making so that your loved one does not lose their home, etc during the periods of instability.
Again, Adult Guardianship will not provide you with the daily relief you think it will. But when the hard decisions need to be made, when your child's life may be in danger due to noncompliance directly related to the mental illness, it gives you a legal leg to stand on.
I Have a 22 yr old son whom is suicidal , bi polar and adhd with oppositional disorder he is not evil or cruel but lives in a dilusional child like world he has no concept of consiquences for his actions , he has so many good quality and talents they are all being THROWN OUT THE WINDOW he has no insurance desperately needs help and wants to give up and die , i have no idea what to do , he's no longer a minor , but inside he's like a five yr old in certain aspects maybe younger in areas , I'm at a loss i can't make him do anything to get help i fear times running out for him he's a beautiful young man with so many skills and talents he can't utilize with such torment hitting him every corner he turns , no insurance for him either or income he can't hold a job no matter how hard he tries
I have a special needs son who is 23 and is presently living with my husband and I. The first thing I would do in all your situations is get a county social worker. This person is knowledgeable about services that you can get for your loved one. My county social worker was heaven sent. I would start with this and hopefully it will help a bit.
My daughter was 22 and was 5150 many times and 5152 the doctors said she was was multiple diagnosed. Bipolar, paranoid, delusional, schitzophenia, and addicted to Opiates, Crystal Meth, and Heroin. She's been homeless for over 41/2 years. On the streets being repeatedly victimized beat, raped. I live in California and in Oct 2014 they passed a law making Crystal Meth and Extacy a stage 2 drug from A stage 1 drug. It's a mistomeaner instead of a felony, like a traffic infraction. My daughter was on psych meds for1 week but now her drug use is out of control. She hears voices. She is going around telling everyone her mother and father raped her. She's insane. She gets repeatedly picked up on warrents and goes to court promising for the past 41/2 years to get help. They kick her out of jail at 3am to roam the streets to be victimized raped again and again. Then warrents for not complying from the last arrest she gets arrested again. It's like a revolving door. I wrote to 2 different judges and over 10 DA's Please do a court ordered mental evaluation on her the next time she is in cuffs but, my pleas fall on deaf ears. Thanks to prop 46. I wrote Govenor Brown, our district supervisors, President then Obama, Donald Trump to no avail. Swept under the rug. There are so many homeless people in California with mental illness, addicts with mental illness because there are 15 known dangerous chemicals in Crystal Meth that eats th frontal lobe of the Brain. All the police departments are against the passing of prop 46. Our crime rates have escalated , our innocent residents have become victimized because Crystal Meth makes a person act like they are on PCP they become irrational, violent for up to 4 days 24 hours a day up all night high roaming our streets like zombies, committing violent crimes rape, burglaries and even murder. God help us here in California. I signed a petition to repeal prop 46. Go to repeal prop 46.com When they put this measure on the ballot they fooled people saying it would help our schools, reduce jail population. Excuse me prop 55 and 56 were to help our schools. And addicts should be court ordered to rehab in cuffs. Build a rehab jail for addicts to retrain them back mentally normal so they can live a normal life again.
My daughter is now 27 years old. Everyone says she has to want the help. I hope it's not too late. She may be dead as a Jane doe lying in a morgue. Our government is corrupt. Our courts have failed me and my daughter the past 41/2 years. I wrote to the courts with documentation from Adult Mental Health with her diagnosis in 2014 yet they see her in court she looks like a homeless person her hair has been in a massive knot for over 4 years. All they do is impose more fine thousands of dollars by now that she can never pay. She is mentally unstable. They release her back onto the streets at 3 am to be victimized raped repeatedly, she has no money, she begs strangers for food like an animal. How can they do this to my daughter? She has no place to go. She acts like a feral cat. She trusts nobody even her own family. Since she falsely accused her mom and dad of raping her she can't come home. I have prayed every night for her. I have cried buckets of tears, I had a break down. My health is declining because I can't sleep, eat, knowing my daughter is lost if not dead. If there is a god please answer my prayers. Please lead my daughter out of this dark pit of hell. It's not her fault it's the drugs and mental illness.
Hello, Everyone! I was during some research early this morning trying to find some answers to help my 32 years old son as well, and when I found this site with problems like what I have been though with my son since he was a young boy and still going through with him. He was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 10 years old, but I did not accept what the doctor said about my child, but later on, I started to educate and research for years about this ADHD spirit. I even wrote several research papers about this ADHD spirit and nightmare, and I went to college to learn about this spirit of ADHD and others illnesses spirits and how to deal with them. You know what, I raised my son up in a spiritual home, taught him God's word, took him to church, he was a cute little usher as a young boy, he was smart in school, he was an awesome and talent basketball player, he love his family and people, he was an excellence reader and he received awards certificates for being a great reading, still, he is smart, but we have had so many problems with him as he gotten older through out the years when he took himself off his medications, he did not want to take it anymore, the meds gave him many side affects like sleeping in class, different wild mean emotions, sadness, and he did not sleep and many times up all night. Although, I did not have big problems with him until his teens years and there it goes a young man that I did not know nor raised. I did not know this child (teenager) or son, and I did not invite that son into my home nor did I invite him into my life or my son's life. Meanwhile, as the years passed by things continue to get worst, he started to walk away from school, disrupt the class, sleep in class from the medications, and he dislike the IEP classes, "he told me he was smart and he knew all that stuff (lessons) so that, made him madder and his behavior got worst and he start hanging out with the wrong guys, during drugs, later got into the drinking which he never drink before, he start being disobedience to his parents and others, he cuss me, his dad, and others out, he hate authority, he drop out-of-school at 11th grade, he refuses any spiritual, mental, or other help, and so much more were going on in his head, which was nothing and nobody but the DEVIL who trying to kill, steal, and destroy our children brilliant minds, talents, and the person God put the on this earth to be and that is successful and bless human beings. Although, my son is not non of these things (spirits) but it happen along with another bad thing happen to him on July, 5, 2017 the judge gave my mental ill, disable, ADHD, Bipolar, and many more diagnoses five doctors have given him, you tell me that the judge going to give him 20 years prison time. Yes, he did and guess what? The judge, DA's prosecutors did not consider his medical records, and i had All his records from his school disability diagnose along with the other 5 doctors diagnoses records, you All thing the judge and the DA cares about my son on no, they destroyed his life. But, I will fight for his freedom till the end, and guess what in this case it was self defense, and the court the judge, DA, appointed court lawyer, and prosecutors did not care about my son nor the other young men went him got 30 years. What the heck is going to our young men who have mental health and disability problems has to go to prison for 20, 30, and more years for what? I feel like millions are been discriminated because of the disabilities and it's has to stop now in Jesus name. #Iwillcontinuetofightformyson #Iprayyoualldothesame #Godiswatchingeverythinggoingon#inthisworld. Lastly but not lease, It is a pay day and the vengeance is The Lord. Thank you All for listening to my son story. Let's keep praying okay for one another along for our children and families. Okay? God bless you All!!!
Most if not all mental illness is nothing but demonization. Deliverance is the only permanent cure, by the mighty Name of Jesus, and the power of His blood shed for us over 2000 years ago. On YouTube, there are many testimonies from Schizophrenics and other "mentally ill" individuals who have been healed for many years. This is spiritual warfare. Satan is using his demons/devils/minions to steal, kill and destroy God's people. He wants the world to think that the people being tormented by him are mentally ill. Often there are legions of demons involved, and they all have to be cast out by anyone who God has prepared to do so in such a time as this. In fact, anyone who is a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ can cast out devils in His Name. All they need is the faith and perseverance, and ofttimes the ability to fast. Ask anyone who is affected if he/she has seen weird creatures or heard evil voices, sounds or laughter which are very frightening or unsettling, and they will tell you a resounding "YES!"
Regardless of where mental illness stems from, be it physical or spiritual. It is still a complete struggle for everyone involved. My daughter showed signs at 13, but was extremely smart, IQ of 180! so we chalked it off to her being smart and getting bored....welll. 33 years old and we have been on a thousand emotional roller coaster rides, abuse, screaming yelling, accusations...she's not had a job in 10 years, been homeless recently, 3 years, lived in my garage for 1 of those years and drove all of us to the edge of suicide...which she tried as well by the way. She drinks from the minute she wakes up, she thinks its just beer, or champaigne so its not bad? ... when she snaps, she is vicious, beyond any ability to deal. We are tired. 15+ years of constant crazy. She refuses to be on any meds, she won't go to a hospital, or counseling, she just weants to be taken care of, not spoken to uness it's roses and puppies. I am an anyeurysm survivor, just a few years ago, and I am scared she's going to kill me. Honestly, I cannot handle the stress anymore. Can I have her hospitalized without any real record of her medical issies? I have no other option but to completely walk away if I cannot get her signed into a program, something.... I am desperate :(
Hi, Please adivise. Do we need a lawyer to get legal guardianship of our son who has a mental illness? He's currently in a PRTF and does many things to hurt himself or others. Many thanks!
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