How can I get emergency guardianship of my adult son who has a mental illness?
Our son is young adult with schizophrenia. He suffers severe delusions and has been hospitalized numerous times in the past year.Would a guardianship help me help preserve his rights when he disagrees with taking harsh drugs? What are the risks and benefits of guardianship in such a case?
As noted below, there are advantages and disadvantages to setting up a conservatorship, but in your son’s case, it might provide the best protection against medical treatment that you feel may be overzealous.
The advantages include that a guardianship:
- Lets family members know that someone is making decisions
- Gives clear legal authority to deal with third parties, and
- Provides a process to have a judge approve major decisions.
The disadvantages of a guardianship include that it is:
- Costly to set up, requiring a lawyer, legal papers, and a court hearing
- Time-consuming, including extensive ongoing paperwork
- Can be humiliating for a parent who is still somewhat capable, and
- Can be emotionally difficult if family members disagree about who should be conservator.
Two years ago I had to make the difficult decision to act on the behalf of a loved one for their safety mainly and their health. We went through a family lawyer and I was able to become guardian. This has proven to be the most beneficial decision for the family. I must emphasize, though, how important it is to maintain contact with the caretakers if the person is in a residential setting and always take a proactive initiative. Do not assume you will always be informed unless you are known to his/her caretaking community. There are many people on many shifts at the facilities doing a job that is very difficult on a daily basis. Most other residents where my sibling lives are not looked in on by their family members at all. Good luck. Do not give up. This condition lasts their lifetime and yours. For your own health you will know what is best. Mental health disease robs us of the future our loved ones may have had but we must help to protect their future for the sake of their future health and safety, ours and others. It was a very difficult choice but the best one in our case. I did this after my parents were deceased which was also very difficult emotionally for everyone but had to be done so that they did not become wards of the state. You as parents can do this and name someone to carry out your responsibility so that in the event of your death their care is continued to their best interest. Maybe their treatment can be temporary. But that answer will still take time to find out. My prayers for your decision.
Dear Bitzygal: In response to your question-will you be able to get help when the loved one refuses medicines-in our case I was. Keep an open dialogue with caretakers, social workers or other therapists or even observant family and friends involved with helping you care for this person so that you can foresee this happening... You may need to call 911 to transport the individual to hospital but because you have guardianship, you can make that decision. They may still refuse while in the hospital but in the proper care and under supervision the situation can be assessed so that the next appropriate procedures can be set in motion. It is a most difficult type of tough love...they won't like you but your love for them has to be your motivator to preserve their quality of life as well as yours. The alternative is not anything I like to consider. While my parents were alive, they really did not have any control over the choices that were made for the person that was ill merely by being the parents. A person with a different type of illness-cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc., may also choose to refuse medicine, and we see this be to be unhealthy, too. These illnesses do not result, however, in outcomes which have the potential to cause disastrous harm to themselves or other people, which, thankfully our family has avoided. Be vigilant and thoughtful. Worrying 24 hours is not a solution, though. My prayer life and my family are also very supportive.
Unfortunately drugs ARE the answer. I got guardianship of my schizophrenic brother after suffering for years of med noncompliance and it changed life for the whole family. I did it by myself without a lawyer. The system is broken and will mostly not help you and when it comes to this save yourself the years it will waste and get guardianship now! I wish we had done it 30 years ago. The hardest part for me was getting the medical certificate from "professionals" treating him. No one wants to stick their neck out and its messed up. Do whatever it takes including lying if/when you have to. He needs to be on disability immediately! He should be associated with the dept of mental health, have a social worker and a prescriber, in home care if he lives on his own and stable housing. I started with the basics before getting guardianship. Clean house, clean clothes and food in the pantry. Get him used to having you around and do what you have to to take care of him. Lawyers will charge you tons and most likely not be successful. You have the right to represent yourself and when the court people got frustrated or surly I would remind them of that fact. Temporary guardianship can be obtained during a crisis and that's the time to do it. During or right after a hospitalization go for temporary guardianship. It can then become permanent. Don't ask for a big guardianship - ask to be able to get services, health care info etc.. If your son is like my brother he can't take care of himself in his condition. It's absolutely crazy to expect someone with such a sever mental illness to do so..good luck and I'm here to tell you things get soooo much better when you have a team in place - a saftey net to hold him close and keep him safe. Now my bro has a DMH worker, a day program 3 days a week and a ride there and back. He has disability, housing, food stamps, a free cell phone, a visiting nurse who comes every night to make sure he takes medicine and check on him, a great doctor and a therapist! Do it now and save yourself years of worry and emergency calls and the stress that all that puts on you and your family....good luck - time for tiger mode!
Hello Anonymous Caregiver,
My mom found your response above to be very encouraging. You gave her hope for our youngest sibling who is currently on his second 5250 hold since March.
She asked me to reach out and request for contact. I know you are probably very busy and don't want to go over telling your situation with your family member again, but my mom would like to find out what specific steps you took to get your brother the care he needs.
My brother's illness has drained our family savings and we no longer have the resources. Any information you can share will be heaven-sent.
Thank you, Dexie
Anonymous Caregiver, I also would like to know the steps you took to get there. I have an 18 yr old son who is severely delusional and the docs want to set him out to a homeless shelter. I cannot bring him home because I have an 11 yrs old daughter and his delusions are mostly sexual. so you understand why I cant bring him home but at the same time this is my son. does anyone have any suggestions?
I too would like info on what steps you took to get guardianship I have struggled for 8 years with my 27 year old daughter who has schizophrenia she is refusing to take her medication AGAIN and I fear whats coming - I need to keep her safe. please any help would be appreciated.
Five years since making the decision it was still the right one. Each year that goes by reassures me of that. Their health and safety as well as that of those around them makes it doubly correct. Prayers help us all but thank God daily for good medicine and trained and caring health care workers. Emotionally it is difficult but not caring for them this way would have been morally wrong of me. They realize it as well. We discuss it a lot. The caring professionals where they reside are reassuring and they are so under appreciated and greatly misunderstood by outsiders to the serious nature of mental health behaviors. There does not seem to be a cure but maintenance must be established. I could go into lots more detail but would rather protect some privacy. A lawyer will know the proper procedure to take to bring this issue to court. The person taken as a ward may be shown to be a harm to his health or others or unable to care for themselves.
Each state has different resources and it would be nice to be able to have a list of those resources, whether State or Private or Non-profit and their ratings. Today I paid to have a lawyer retained to obtain guardianship and it was very expensive. There are not many lawyers that do the guardianship. If I had known that I could do it myself I would cancel that check, but I already signed a contract.
My daughter is 23 and bipolar, she just got out of the mental health hospital for the 2nd time in 5 weeks. I'm trying to save her from herself or hurting someone else in the process. The system sucks! I need to get her in a facility for more than 72 hours without her being able to sign herself out. Any information to help me do this is very much appreciated. Today she even hooked up with a guy she met in the mental unit at the hospital. I almost wish that she would get arrested so no one would bail her out.
I have to say I am very surprised to see a parent calling antipsychotics "harsh." Schizophrenia is the harshest thing I have ever seen. It is a terrible monster that invades the most precious organ... the seat of whom we ARE. I am a psychologist; I have worked in residential psychiatric settings for years and the biggest problem I have seen with medication is difficulties with compliance.
I have had many parents ask me how they can get their children to take their medication... I have only once had a patient express negative feelings about psychiatric meds... and that was because of religious beliefs that include refusal of all medical help.
Schizophrenia is a vile, ugly monster that robs a person of his own mind. I hate it. I hate to see young people disappear under this terrible thing. As of this date, medication is the best thing we have. It certainly isn't perfect, but it can be helpful. And we have good, solid research demonstrating a robust benefit to the brain from taking antipsychotic meds. Schizophrenic patients who do not take their meds suffer more neuronal loss. The brain of the schizophrenic literally loses mass over time. The medication is protective. It is very important to understand this. Antipsychotic medications reduce loss of brain mass.
Schizophrenia is a lifelong, progressive brain disease. It is the cruelest disease in existence. Medication is the best tool you have. Yes, some of the side effects are uncomfortable, but schizophrenia is much, much worse. And as your son has had many hospitalizations, that tells me he is very ill, indeed. Hospitalization is a lot more rare than it used to be.
I am so sorry you must carry this burden, Bitzygal, and if I had the power to lift the horrors of schizophrenia from your child and the burdens of it all from your shoulders, I should be so very glad to do so. My heart aches for you... I have seen the pain parents must endure more times than I care to think about. Sometimes the grief of the parents is more painful to me than witnessing the beautiful promise in a young person being strangled slowly from his mind by this monster. I am so very sorry you are going through this. But please do encourage him to take his meds.
Dear Desperate Mother, I have the exact same problem with my mentally ill son. He just checked himself out of the hospital and is now homeless for the 4th or 5th time. And he has been in jail several times. Those were the times that I was at peace knowing he was safe, had a roof over his head and had 3 meals a day. Lets face it. It's our societies answer for housing the mentally ill since all the hospitals were closed down. I am 65 years old and I don't think getting guardianship at this point in my life is good for me. No one else in the family cares. He won't take his meds the minute he gets out of the hospital he will stop taking them.
I am 77 and considering getting guardianship over my 48 yr old paranoid schizophrenic daughter. I don't think I can handle her anymore. Who can take over??? She's in hosp. now but when they let her out, she'll be homeless. A very tired Mother,
Guardianship of a mentally ill son. Have it. It only helps to have some say so.basically there is little to no long term help for mental illness that I have found. Just makes me responsible for a child who chooses too self medicate with harmful things all the while becoming more helpless and dangerous too himself at 30... Im left with broken heart and wallet...still back at square one 15 yrs later. My strength is waning...
I was considering guardianship for my 29 year old son who is schizophrenic and attempted suicide this week. He may now have permanent physical damage that will hinder him eating and drinking. From what I've read here, it won't really help much. He really needs residential care. There aren't any hospitals in Oklahoma for long term care anyway. Thank you poster "tired in tulsa" for your info, it was helpful. I'm in Tulsa too. Wishing for help to keep him safe from the voices that torment him 24/7. He only takes his medicine when he is forced to. :(
I have a 29 year son who is paranoid schizophrenic and I would like to get guardianship over him. He is very difficult to live with. In fact, I rarely could sleep in my home being afraid of what he would do. I developed Vertigo from the stress. My son has been homeless before because of this. He was recently in an apartment run by a mental health institute for many years but lately he has been getting worse and worse. This is his third time being in the hospital this year of 2015. Just today he became extremely violent and the mental health organization will no longer let him live in this supervised apartment. Now I'm in the position of looking for a place for him. Financially I don't have a lot of money and would like to know how to assume guardianship without going through a lawyer? I am in crisis mode right now! My son is being held temporarily in the hospital. Can someone help me?
I also have a very sick adult child. My heart goes out to everyone of you having to deal with such a heartbreaking situation. My daughter is 23 and Bipolar and an addict. Has tried to kill herself over 10 times. Been to many clinics, rehabs, therapists...You name it. She is on probation for 3 felonies. I just want to commit her for her safety and societies safety. I cannot believe it is okay to have mentally ill people running free in this society. All that happens to them is they go to jail, families with resources can pay to put them somewhere, or they die... I want my daughter to live. I am trying to figure out how to get guardianship over her so I can start utilizing everything I can find to help her. Because she is an adult I cannot do much of anything for her, except love her. Any advice in how to get guardianship and find ways to help my daughter before she is either incarcerated or dead? Thanks!
I meant to say that she is a severe borderline and possible schizophrenic
Hello to all of you with young adult schizophrenic children. I am the mother who like most of you had to watch my once normal happy son change overnight into a person who we no longer knew. My son who turned 30 this past year has been on meds for the past 11 years and diagnosed as schizophrenic-it is not manageable, my son has not been able to return to work, he is compliant with his meds only because he doesn't want to be put back in the hospital. My son at 18 started hearing voices and complained of hand cramps, stayed awake for days on end because he thought he was going to die when he slept, he quit eating fearing he would choke from difficultly swallowing and the panic attacks.etc.. I assumed the hospital would run tests to rule out any physical problem apparently i was wrong. Fast forward 8 years my youngest son turns 15 went from an above average student fun outgoing kid to someone i don't even know. My dad says its as if a switch was flipped and my boys were turned off. I have paid special attention to my youngest because of my oldest. After 3 years of being dismissed and treated as if my son is just a spoiled brat and by the grace of God i found a dr who listened with blood tests and a MRI I got an answer that makes sense. My boys have Chiari Malformation. I have always said heal your body and your mind will follow. Unfortunately now I have to do something to make my youngest understand that he needs the decompression surgery to relieve the pressure in his head, so his cs fluid will flow correctly. My 30 year old who is on a shit load of meds and my 18 year old who is on no meds act exactly the same. Also would like to add that schizophrenia is not a disease it is a condition. Good luck
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To anoumus. I also have a son that I need to get gaurdaian ship over and do not have the funds for an attorney. He has been in and out of a place and very hard to get them in. He is almost 30. I would also like to know the steps. I live 2 hrs away and have no one that can help me. Thank you
to daisym. You have given me hope. I have an almost identical situation as you. I have a younger brother with the same condition and it is almost close to impossible for him to get him to do anything unless I threaten him by calling the police and they would be the one to take him to the pysch emergency because he refuses to do on his own. He has declined every services offered him and now he sits in his room all day and watches TV. We are at our wits end. I would like to get guardianship but don't have the funds to go through a lawyer because I'm on disability as well and my Mom is elderly. It's really sad because my brother has all these resources but he refuses it all. This all kind of happened in the last couple of years. HIs pysch doctor agrees people with mental illness have too much freedom and he is even powerless to help. Thank you again for all your experiences! I need to know also what I can do to get this emergency guardianship without having to go through a lawyer. Please help!
I have been watching over my schizophrenic son for 31 years. he is now 51 years old and impossible to even be around....no help in sight
I understand everyone's frustration. My son is 30 and bipolar. He refuses treatment and doesn't believe anything is wrong with him even though he's been hospitalized several times in the past 3 years. He lives with us but has been homeless 3 times so far. He has not been able to keep a job more than 3 months in the past 10 years and won't even try. He refused to apply for disability because he refuses to see a doctor of any kind. He collects cans to recycle and buys beer to cope. I recently had to move my 80 year old mother in with me due to her failing health so I don't have the wherewithal to push him. It only causes things to explode and with my senior mom living with us now, I have to avoid things that could be hard on her. Is there any way to get disability for him when he won't cooperate?
I am getting a medical power of attorney for my mentaly ill son
Hello All, I came across this site seeking resources for the psycho-legal eval that is needed to complete my petition for guardianship over my adult son. He is 22, diagnosed schizo-effective and bi-polar. I have been his fierce advocate since the onset of his illness at age 13. Based on my experiences, I think I would be a helpful resource for parents/family who have also been in this position. He has been hospitalized countless times, med changes have been made that did not serve him well, caregivers have welcomes me and my opinion and also basically 'slammed the door' in my face because he is an 'adult', I've filed complaints, i've demanded transparent, communicative and person centered care for him..... the list goes on and on. He is of the clientele that 'doesn't fit' anywhere. He didn't DDD requirements because I applied after he turned 18, he doesn't do well in RTF's, he has cognitive challenges even when he's doing 'well', sometimes he is in denial, he has had private insurance and is currently on SSI. Right now, we are doing OK...... still need to finish the guardianship process but I think it will help in all future advocating for him. I think that it's important that all caregivers here know about the 'Joels Law" Petition for involuntary hospitalization. His most recent hospitalization was possible because of it. After 3 trips to the ER in a one week period and social workers not agreeing to contact the DMHP, I had to go over their heads. It worked and he has since been released on a LRA for the first time. Do you all know about LRA's? I'd be happy to share more information and any resources I have.
In addition, I was able to have all the costs of the guardianship paid for the state, as well as the additional cost for an evaluation.
I see a pattern. Is there something in common that has not been researched on these young adults. My daughter is 23 and going in and out of crisis centers. She started 2 years ago about. My daughter was a straight A student. Bright young lady. Very dedicated to helping others. Took on Christianity as her Religion went to an apostolic church and from there started going extreme on many things I did not catch on to what was going on because my ignorance just had me think "she will grow out of it" right now she has gone to the streets naked. She claims Jesus is coming soon. And that everyone needa to do the same like her be completly naked and follow Jesus. I dont know where it was that I failed as a mom. I didnt pay attention closely enough. Yes I feel very guilty because I am a mom. But I have been reading many of the post here and I feel there is a link. I see these comment s and there is just so many similarities in different topics but very alike. I understand the mental illness but where are these cases coming from and being so on point of similar actions. As old as I am and talked to my family trying to find a link of mental disorder or if they have ever heard of cases like these and not to this extreme. Is it something in the food. Meds vaccines. What is it?
There are so many factors that could contribute including the fact that our air,clothing,cosmetics and food are filled with so many toxins. Too many toxins for some people to eliminate because they carry gene mutations that don't allow them to like the MTHFR (and many others). Meds don't always work properly because people have other mutations that make them ultra and /or poor metabolizers of medications. (Check their CYP450 , CYP34) This info can be found by running a gene test like 23 and me. There is so much info in these tests...info that just isn't being used at the clinical level. It's negligent not to use this info in my opinion. Meds may not work due to mutations and other meds may be better for the individual. Check this information out.
The heartbreak. So many of us . Just reading this and the responses has helped me. I am a mother of 1 adult son we've been on a crazy journey for 17 years now. Just when you think it can't get worse .... I saw him today. He just got released from jail after 3 months in he's usually looking better with three squares and a cot but not this time. He literally looked like he's used the entire time. Diagnosed with multiple disorders and a very active addiction to meth. He's a scary dude these days Angry and out of his mind. My mothers heart is always wanting to do something but what the heck can you do. I've no way to house him he's unmanageable ( I've given him shelter for many years in the past , doesn't go well ) he's been in centers mental hospitals prison jail and he absolutely refuses any help . After reading these responses I now question if there's any wisdom in guardian ship what can I accomplish I have no funds to get him into centers and with his violent past places will not accept him. I won't live with him been there and done that it is not healthy from 14 years old he has never wanted to be compliant with anything. He went from being this great guy good on school awesome athlete to a gang banger drug addict to a soldier to living on the streets the last ten years. It is horrible The most horrible painful experience. My heart goes out to you all. May there be peace in your heart
To all of you, peace. We received guardianship of our 19 yr old schizophrenic son when he turned 18 -- his disease had progressed rapidly through his teens and so we felt it important to do asap. His cognition is low. He has run away and we now find that guardianship still leaves issues. It is not a be-all. If he refuses help....he refuses, guardianship or no. But that said it is really helpful when you turn to all the resources out there who can help search for a missing child. SO do it. Find legal help through nonprofit legal services. They can be a real resource.
My 41 year old son is paranoid schizophrenic but is non-compliant. He has been hospitalized numerous times and had Medicaid and food stamps at one point because a case manager helped him. But he let them lapse. He would never apply for SSDI and case manager never bothered. He is homeless and has no address or phone. I went to SS office in NJ (where he lives) with an appt but he never showed. They refused to even take and application due to the Privacy Act without him present. He is not on meds and looks like a homeless person when I saw him. I live in GA so I cannot be his Guardian. His father lives in NY. I called adult protective services and they would be willing to take him in but I do not know where he stays. I would like to get him into a group home, but as an adult, can I do anything? Can I get a legal aid lawyer involved? Any suggestions. He has not phone. This is a hard case because he will not cooperate.
MY SON JUST TURNED 20 .HES BEEN LIVING WITH MY EX HIS DAD FOR THE KAST THREE YEARS , CUZ HE KICKED SND PUNCHED ME AND WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED .HE MET A FRIEND IN HIGHSCHOOL WHOS A TERRIIBLE INFLUENCE ON HIM .WHEN HECWAS KIVING WITH ME AND HIS SISTER HE HURT US EVERYDAY.HE ALREADY HAD A DMH WORKER , A THERAPIST , A BEHAVORIST ,, A JUDGE , A PROBATION OFFICER , A OARENT PARTNER , A OUTREACH WORKER , A POLICE OFFICER THAT WAS WORKING IN THE FAMILY SERVICES DEPARTMENT ..THIS CHILD STILL COULDNT BEHAVE .HE HAD BEEN DISGNOSED EITH BIPOKAR AT AGE 5 AND ADHD , PTSD AND AN ANXIETY DISORDER .HE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF HOSPITALS SINCE HE WAS FIVE . THE CURRENT ISSUES ARE HE DOESNT SLEEP AT ALL AND STRESSES HIS DAD OUT. HE TOOK HIMSELF OFF HIS MEDS RECENTLY AND REFUSES TO TAKE HIS MEDS .HIS FATHER CONSTANTLY LIES TO ME .. HISXDAD IS SUPOSSED TO BE FINDING A NEW PSYCHIATRIST FOR HIM .( HES ALSO VERY MOODY) AS HIS MOM IBEANT TO TAKE GAURDIANSHIP OF HIS MENTAL HEALTH. , BUT IM SURE MY SON WILL REFUSE .HE AKSO DRINKS ON OCCASION AND IM SURE HIS JERK OFA FRIEND TOLD HIM TO GET OFF HIS MEDS IM VERY WORRIED ABOUT HIM , AND I CANT AFFORD A LAWYER RIGHT NOW .
.As a mom with two of my youngest chikdren 20 and 22 who both have bipolar diagnoses and other nental helth disgboses .Its imoerative to get a really good thersoist snd a Dmh worker .and a greay psychiatrist . I am going throufh stuff with my 20 yearild son right mow .Aftwr being on bupokar meds since he was five he decided to take himself off all meds .He currently lives with my ex his,dad .But his dad lies to me that hes still on his meds .I really wantvto take gaurdianship of his nental heakth .since he has nanaged to stay outvof rhe hospital for a few,years , im wondering what a judge would think ? Some important info one can get is from NAMI each state has their own site ..Im currently waiting for a call bsck , cuz i cant afford 4, 000fir a lawyer right niw .
His dad does nothing but complain .Has anyone had exoerience with adult prorective services as his Father is not doing his job at all .
Livnthemoment .Thats so hard i cant imagine .my oldest son was abused by his dads girlfriend which i didnt know .i beleive his dad abused him. pysically as,well .He tirned to drugs and alchohil but thsnk God he got off . Hes will akways be a struggling addict though . My tounest two have bipolar .My younest son used to beat on me and his sister .I had to have him arrested .My kids bio father he kives with now was on drugs and was very violent to me ..They saw a lot my kids .These chikdren of ours,will not get ckean unless theyre ready . Im so sorry to hear that sbout your son .Therevis only do much we can do ., when theyvwont help themselves .My heart and orayers go out to you snd everyone here .
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