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Caring for your parents comes with a learning curve. We can't hope to know everything we'll need to know, or be fully prepared for the experience, but it helps to have others share their experiences, ideas, and most importantly, their feelings about the changes in their parents, and in themselves and their own lives.

To that end, we invite you to share those things you wish you had known when you started having to deal with a parent with cancer.


 
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 Gosh, so many things fall under this category, but there's one that really stands out when I look back on my time caring for my dad. The main one is that I wish we'd called in hospice, or palliative care, much sooner. We were really hung up on the idea that you don't call hospice until you're ready to say the word "dying," but then when we did that turned out not to be the case at all.

It turned out you can call hospice any time after getting a "terminal" diagnosis, even if it's vague and you don't know how much time the person has. And the hospice nurses were so knowledgeable and helpful; they had all sorts of suggestions for making my dad more comfortable that I wish we'd been given much sooner. Plus they had access to medications, particularly painkillers, that we'd had trouble getting from my dad's doctors. And it's all covered, financially. I'd tell anyone caring for a cancer patient to at least consult with hospice - it's worth it.


 
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I would say now, after caring for my mom and watching her lose her battle is TRY, as hard as it may be, to try to focus less on the "caregiving" aspect (i.e. "its time for meds, what do the latest tests say, etc.) and try to make sure you spend time spending time not talking so much about the disease, and more time being there emotionally, as a friend, talking about all sorts of things other than what is happening.  I know I didnt word this properly, and I know its part of caregiving to worry, but I look back now and feel like I was focused so much on the disease itself that I missed out on just enjoying what little time we had left in the end. 

I hope even though this doesnt make a lot of sense someone gets something out of it.


 
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 Anonymous, I know exactly what you are describing having lived it myself. I was just thinking about this this morning and so wanted to chime in that I think it was very well put and I'm glad you brought it up. Your focus narrows to the battle --  and while that is useful on one level, it becomes too easy to lose sight of the bigger picture. I DO wish I'd known this going into it....

 


 
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I hope this post is not out of place. My wife and I recently began caring for her ailing parents; we moved in, remodeled, cleaned, cleaned, cleaned and today my mother in law is going to get the results of her chemo treatment. I'm not a very, uh, empathetic guy, but I am looking for some resources on ways to make sure my wife is well taken care of during all this (father with emphysema, mother is a stroke victim and recently diagnosed with lung and some sort of node cancer.)

If anyone has any tips for me (web pages, books, dirty jokes to keep my wife's spirits up ) can you share? Most of the web pages/resources I found deal with taking care of the one with the illness or young children of the ill, not adult children who are also caregivers. I just want to keep my wife as happy as possible during all this.

Thanks in advance,

Troy


 
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My 72 yo Mum was dx with late stage breast cancer in Sept 07 and secondary cancer was dx August 08. I came back to visit her in Dec/Jan 07 and she was doing well with her chemo sessions then. I came back this time upon hearing her prognosis and she was completely changed. After mastectomy of her left breast and 28 sessions of radiation, 2 weeks later she was showing signs of problems. A week after I arrived, she went for her 1st cycle 2nd line chemo and 3 days later she was hospitalised for 8 days with mucositus. It was 48 hours of touch and go and 72 hours later, the doctor told me it was terminal. I cried in the stairwell and came back to the ward with a smile on my face. The doctor told me it was not the length of time that is important but how we spend the time with Mum. It has been 3 months and I have not looked back. Now I will be going back to my own family leaving my Mother in the care of my brothers and their families but every minute I spent with her has been inspiring. She has been through so much and she never complains - she did not want me in her kitchen because that has been her territory for the 30 years I have left home - and this week - she let me in her kitchen. When she had mucosities and could only take in fluid she refused to take in any food I had blended but in the last month, she is blending fruits and sharing it with us! I cannot change her in 3 months but she has changed in 2 months just to make me happy. I love you so much, Mum. Don't try to change them - your time of caring is short - be there for them, listen to them or just hold their hands. They know your love and will show them when they feel better.


 
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I think what makes caring for someone with cancer -- or trying to help a partner who's caring for a parent with cancer -- so challenging is the ups and downs you describe. It's such a crazy good news/bad news cycle; one day they have a treatment such as surgery or radiation or try a new drug and it seems to be working, and you feel optimistic. Then at some point there's bad news or they start to have horrible side effects and you have to switch gears and cope with that. I'm so sorry to hear about your mum, but how inspiring that she's blending herself drinks and doing her best to cope with this new situation, and that you're helping her.


 
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Hi. I skype my Mum twice today and twice yesterday and she is looking so much better. I was only by her side 48 hours ago but now 7000kms separates us. My Mum is still battling her breast cancer which has metastasized but today she is looking forward to finishing her 2nd line and having a holiday with her grandchildren. It has been a harrowing journey but we can see the light - the oncologist has told us it is terminal but that is only a word. When i see her today - she is a picture of health and happy spirit. It is hard to imagine only 3 months ago - she was undergoing chemo and hospitalisation and we were all beside ourselves with worries. Finding a good team is so important because they keep half the worries away. Caring for loved ones with cancer is heartbreaking - i spend hours googling - frustrations set in when there is no answer and the tears start falling. But in all that time I never cry in front of my Mother, never in front of my brothers. We don't talk too much about the C word - I am the one who question the doctors and write down notes to further research on meds and symptoms. I feel that knowledge is power and I have no fear when I know I am ahead - when I am not - i google and I come back with more. Every med given gives new symptoms and there is more heartbreaks - that is why a good team is very supportive because you know help is close at hand. I live in Australia and my Mum is in Malaysia. I found Caring.com while googling looking for ways to cope with mucositus, low white blood count and thick saliva. Staying positive and taking it one day at a time is important - no two chemo cycle is the same. We got complacent because Mum handled her 1st line 6 cylcles with aplomp - when she trip and fall over with 1st cycle 2nd line - we were shaken to our cores. So stay positive and alert and know that help is available.


 
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Welcome charbo, and thanks for sharing your experiences! You and your mother are in my thoughts.


 
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If I can make a wish, I wish father could have died doing what he loved most without having to go downhill every day a bit deeper.

 

Practically I wish I had known what really was going to happen between the day of father's diagnosis of metastatic liver cancer and the day he passed away.

 

Doctors talked about "quality of life" which took me a lot of googling and sharing stories with other cancer care-givers to find that out.

 

But the "going downhill slowly but surely" was something I wished I was prepared for. The doctor told us that father would have more pain because of the growing tumor, and that more pain medication would be needed.

 

Doctors didn't tell us that father wouldn't be able to eat, wouldn't be able to absorb enough water, would get ulcers in his mouth, would forget that a door can open inwards or outwards... The list goes on and on...

 

We were pretty left in the dark and were discovering every day new things that were happening.

 

I wished I had known in advance and therefore been able to help father better.

Prayers Mcki777


 
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SecondaryLiverCancer, I'm so sorry for your loss. We are hoping with this site to inform and educate so people won't feel as in the dark as you did. I hope you will stick around and help in that process by sharing your experiences. They are real and they are true and we hope to see you again.

~Laura


 
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Thanks LauraL, wish I had found this site 2 years ago to get more info much faster,

 

but I will be happy to contribute now and help people with sharing experiences  

 

Is there an automated way to get informed when cancer care questions are asked, or do I have to come back and check from time to time?

 

Thanks!


 
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Learn how to administer the pain meds especially at the end. Hospice is so helpful and they can help you with this. My brother and I were so afraid of OD'ing our Father  (lung cancer) that I suspect we did not  give him enough. Towards the end Dad could not communicate with us so we didn''t know. Again I can't stress the importance of getting hospice to show you how and how much.

We miss you Dad.


 
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Hi SLC,

At the top of the thread, there is a button for WATCH. If you click that, then any responses to that thread will be sent to your email. :)  You do have to choose to WATCH a thread, though; there's not a way for every cancer related question or answer to automatically come to you.

I hope this helps!


 
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@Ellis

 

Hospice is a great help for sure! We also juggled with the pain medication, as each time the tumor grew, we had to give more.

 

Add to that the constipation adjustments because of giving more pain medication, not easy but you have no choice but to learn fast!

 

I would say it's better to overdose as to "underdose" because our goal was to strive for "no pain".

 

Father passed away with a smile on his face, so we conclude he wasn't in pain at that moment.

 

Same like your father, communication was very difficult at the end stage, so you really need to use your gut feeling.

 

Listening to you I feel that your dad is happy with what you and your brother did for him  Words are not the only way of communication (although words make life much easier...).

 

@LauraL

Thanks!

 


 
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My name is Donna Michola Bush and I live in South Alabama. I started my career as a concierge in order to help families that are responsible for the care of thier aging parents or homebound loved ones as well as the person themselves. I could have used a service like mine when I lost my Father in law and mother 5 months apart and 150 miles apart. The reason that I started my company was so that people can spend the precious little time that they have loving thier loved ones and not focusing on the tasks of maintaining thier home. When you are caring for a parent or loved one and your own home and family, having someone to call to do the errands can really help to ease the pain and allow you and your family time to focus on loving them. It was 9 years ago, my daughter was 4 years old, my husband and I were seperated. My father in law was diagnosed with cancer and he asked for my help. Immediatly my daughter and I moved in with him (and my soon to be x husband). Taking care of him was although sad, a very beautiful experience. I literally watched him reach his hand out to God and draw close to him. There was no denying what was happening in him and no way possible for me to ignore the reality of it all. It was at that time that the song "Angels" by Sarah McLauglin became popular and still to this day I hear that song and Papa comes to my mind. While his son was disturbed by his "moaning" I had him listen closer and hear that the moans were not moans from pain but hymns that he was humming. Although we did not want him to go, the end for he and I was nothing short of an experience with God and I am grateful to have been as much a part of his passing as I was his life. His death made me realize that there really is a God and I saw him going through what the lady from Hospice called "The healing process". The wonderful lady that we had from Hospice said that she saw it all of the time and that she was convinced that in dying, there is a "healing" process and that there are no sick people in heaven.  As Papa died, the last few days he seemed alert and feeling better then he had in a long time. The Hospice lady said that she has seen many patients reach out as if taking Gods hand right before they took thier last breath. As Papa was reaching his last breaths, I witnessed him reaching out his hand with the most peaceful smile on his face. I embraced his death as much as his life and his death brought me closer to our Lord. As a little child, my daughter and I would get balloons at restaraunts and when leaving the restaraunts would send them up to the angels in heaven. She asked to do that at Papas funeral (she was 4 years old) We bought a balloon that said I love you and after the service she sent Papa up a balloon We know that he is in a beautiful place and is no longer in pain. We know without a doubt that the ending for him was showered by Gods love. Not two months after Papa died, my mother became very ill. I lived 150 miles away from her and tried to find help caring for her through many different channels. Meals on Wheels helped for a meal once a day and through the church I found someone to go in and clean her house every other week but there was no one to go shopping for her, check on her, take her on outings or just visit with her. She was alone most of the time and it broke my heart that I wasn't able to spend the time that I did with papa, with her. She died in the hospital and I was not there. I was running errands, getting her house in order for family to come and pay thier last respects as well as trying to take care of business back and forth from Huntsville to Birmingham. There was nothing special, there were no beautiful memories of her last days and I will always regret not having someone take care of the errands for my mother so that when she was at home and I went to visit that it was time well spent rather then time running to the grocery store and other simple errands. Time was precious and it slipped away without me being able to just sit with her and listen, comfort and love her to the end.

I urge you to call on a concierge. Spend your last precious moments with your loved ones loving them and leave the errands to people that can be at your service to help you.

Hugs Scrawley


 
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it was very helpful to me to read nytimes article “taking care: helping loved ones as they age” dated 12-18-07 and also nytimes article “choosing your own exit” dated 1-28-09, in addition to many other articles written in the “new old age”.

my mother passed away june 2008. she was diagnosed with liver cancer february 2008. liver cancer hits very suddenly and i only took care of her for four months, although at the time it felt like much longer.

i think my mother did everything right regarding her passing so i want to share it. first of all, she had made a health care proxy years ago, which stated that she wanted a “pain free and dignified” death; “medication for pain even if this meant shortening her life”. secondly, upon learning from a doctor that a ct scan (i think that’s the name for it) said it was cancer of her liver but that a biopsy was necessary to know for sure, she immediately said “no”. at the time i was shocked because i thought we should know for sure. afterwards i realized she was right. why should she suffer though a biopsy. she obliged me a couple of weeks later after she was home from the hospital and we went to see her doctor and he gave her a prescription for a PET scan — that told us everything we needed to know regarding the fact that she was going to die. thirdly, she decided that she wouldn’t have any treatment that could possibly extend her life. she told me that she did everything in terms of treatment ten years ago when she had cancer of the uterus because with that there was a chance of a cure. she also told me that she didn’t want to extend her life and destroy the quality of life she had left. i know that my mother thought all this out years ago — that she had decided what she would do if she was ever given an incurable diagnosis. in other words: my mother was prepared. this made things easier for me.

i didn’t really take care of my mother so much as looked after her because all i did was facilitate her. she made all decisions. that was a gift to me although that was just my mother being herself — she was always like that. she was a very independent, very strong, very determined, and very smart person.

during those four months, while i was looking after her, i used to worry that she would fall and break something and end up in a hospital and then she wouldn’t be able to be at home where she wanted to be. i slept very lightly those four months because she was always getting out of bed at night to use the bathroom. i was attached to her in a way that i would wake up when she woke up. i’ve told people that it was like having a new born but without the joy. i would go downstairs and assist her or at least just be there whenever she woke up. she didn’t want my help, at least during the first couple of months, and i was very careful to keep my distance as much as i felt possible. she would say to me “what are you doing up” and i would say “oh, the dog woke me up - i had to let her out in the yard”. i did tell her, eventually, of my concern about her falling and i know she made a concerted effort not to fall. and you know what — she got up every day of her life except the day she passed away — and she never fell.


before she left the hospital, after her diagnosis in february, a hospital staff member came to her room and asked if she wanted hospice care at home — thank goodness for that !

in june when her pain became suddenly worse and uncontrollable with the pain medications she was taking, a hospice nurse came overnight and gave her morphine. unfortunately, that did not control her pain. also, a hospice doctor came and said she needed to be in the care of a hospice hospital, and she spent 24 hrs. in a hospice floor of a hospital before she passed because she needed intravenous pain medication in order to control the pain.

i wish she could have stayed at home because it would have been easier for her. at the time, i did not know that the hospice nurses and doctors cannot give intravenous medication or even injections. if i had known that i would have made other arrangements in case her pain became uncontrollable.

there were a few other things i wish i had done differently, like being more upbeat but i was so tired and i didn’t know how long she was going to live, how long i could last in the situation; expressing my love for my mom a bit more — even though my mother didn’t like any kind of mushy stuff — i think i could have gotten away with showing more little kindnesses than i did; talking too much during her last hours in the hospice room — forgetting that one of the last senses to go on somebody who’s dying is their hearing. there’s probably a few other things i wish i had done differently, like maybe had some soothing music in the room when my mom passed away, ect…

i was given good advice from someone after i decided to “take care of” my mom and that was: a) it’s learn as you go, and b) know going into this that no matter what you do, know that there will be somethings that you will wish you had done differently. so, you know, i did okay.

when my mom passed away she had sufficient pain medication to ease her into death, which is what she wanted — i just facilitated it. even with a health care proxy and everything else i still had to advocate for her when we got to the hospice hospital. i had to get on their case to start intravenous pain medication and in a gentle way so as not to put them off when all i really wanted to do was scream at them — i’m glad that i didn’t because the doctors and nurses ended up to be very caring people — i did not scream but with my words and my passion i made two doctors and one nurse cry. which then made me cry. they then started the pain medication.

i wasn’t there when my mom passed; i didn’t feel the need. i felt the work was done. If i wasn’t so tired and strung out i would have stayed with my brother and my husband. (as it was, i took the opportunity to drive home the home health aide that was provided by the hospice program — i wanted her to get some rest in case we needed her later that night.) i left a book for my brother to read to her — my mother was in the middle of re-reading an agatha Christie book (her favorite author, a hercule peroit book) before she went into the hospice hospital.

my brother told me that after he was reading to her for about an hour and a half a nurse came in to moisturize my mother’s lips and my mother smacked her lips together like a person would after applying lipstick. So the nurse asked her to smack her lips together again if she hears her, and my mother did. my brother, being the beautiful person that he is, said “let me try that” and he swabbed my mother’s lips and she smacked her lips together again. then my brother took the opportunity to tell her that he, myself and our two sisters would all look after and take care of each other. he kissed her on the forehead and she had one tear come out of her eye and she passed. the pain medication eased my mother’s pain and my brother’s words eased her mind. i told my brother it was like that song by simon and garfunkel “like a bridge over troubled waters i will ease your mind”.

my mother made all her decisions, I looked after her for four months at home, my sister stayed overnight with her during that 24 hour period she spent in the hospice floor of the hospital, my brother was there when she passed. we each shared what needed to be done, and we are all looking after and taking care of each other.

— Claire Ann

 

 


 
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My Dad died amost 5 years ago of Kidney Failure. He was a dialysis patient for 3 years and hated it!

He just did not have the courage to stop. Stopping was surely dealth and I think he was afraid to die.

His last visit to the hospital for congestive heart failure he fought his dialysis treatment. I ask Mom what should we do. He had became another person. A person I did not know.   Maybe his inter-mind was saying "I don't want anymore dialysis".

Mom, my brother and I talked about stopping the dialysis. I sometimes feel as if I talked her into it, but she says no we didn't. She told the Doctor the next morning "No more dialysis". He was fairly alert that day but went into a coma late in the afternoon. I am finally convinced after all the soul searching that it was his heart not discontinung the dialysis that killed him. Mom went to Hospice to set up his arrival and I sat with him. I was so afraid he was going to wake up alert and ask me what was going on. I waited and waited for the drivers to arrive at the hospital room to transport him to Hospice. What was I going to say if he woke up and asked where he was going. I asked the drivers to please not tell him. They said we never do, we are just going for a ride. 

I prayed for daddy not to wake up. He did not wake. He only lasted 4 hours at Hospice. One minute I lay on him begging him to live and another telling to him let go and we would take care of Mom.   

All this took place in less than 18 hours. Daddy was stubborn sometimes and would not talk when he was mad.  Was he mad and had he heard us say he was going to Hospice?

 Is that why he would not talk. He turned over in the bed at Hospice and would not face my Mom. Did he know? 

 


 
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I am caregiver to my mom.  She is 78 and has cancer tumor in her esophagus. She will die in a few months.  She also has advanced Alzheimer's Disease.  I resent the AD cause i feel it is robbing me of my last few months with my mom.  I used to have a great relationship with my mom.  But, now, with being the sole caregiver and struggling with the AD, our relationship has changed drastically.  We now have Hospice.  They are somewhat helpful.  We don't have any extra money so I can't get much respite. 

The problem i have right now is that the AD is robbing my mom of her comprehension.  This makes giving the meds difficult.  The tumor in her esophagus makes swallowing just about anything hard for her.  She is now on HalDol (short name for the drug) in liquid, oral dose.  I guess it tastes awful, and when i tell her to swallow, instead of swallowing she holds it in her mouth and repeats "swallow" after i say it.  Eventually it goes down.. I have now gotten the idea to immediately give her something to drink or some ice cream to put in her mouth so that she will automatically swallow.  Everything is such a struggle, though.  Every little thing.

I am not having any radiation or chemo done.  I made this decision because my mom can't handle change and taking her for treatments every day for 6 weeks would make her life miserable.  add that to the possible side-effects and it is not worth it, since her cancer is not curable.

I stumbled on this forum purely by accident.  I was looking for something about my local animal shelter.  So I feel that somehow I was led here.


 
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Im new here, so im not sure if this goes here or not, sorry in advance.

My aunt has been recieving chemo therapy for breast cancer for about 3 months.

She has no social securtiy, and cant get any health insurance or medi-cal.

Im worried not only for her healt but her financial situation.

I want to help out with her money, so deas anyone know any good website, organization, that will help pay her treatment bills.

Im not sure how the whole healthcare system (Im Only 16)  works i know its complicated but every little info will help! thanks


 
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Hello, Jose! You might want to start a new thread. come to the cancer support main page: http://www.caring.com/community/groups/cancer-support  and then click the blue button that says "Start a discussion".

Thanks for coming to caring.com! 


 
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Hi, just wanted to let you know that my Mum is undergoing more test sbecause she was not handling her 2nd line chemo treatment well. She was put on doxetaxel and capecetabine but was having intermittent bleeding plus all the other side effects of chemo. Every treatment was delayed and after her 4th treatment she was put on single drug treatment orally but the bleeding continued, she could not walk due to petechia on her legs. Her left arm was often swollen with fluid retention and the compression bandage did not help. We are waiting for the results of her ultra sounds and blood test. I wait anxiously downunder for reports. It gets harder each time but my heart goes out to my 2 younger brothers and their family who have to face this ordeal daily. The distance has provided me with an insulation against the dramas every day but does not ease the burden in my heart and mind. I cry every time I read a loved one is taken. I only know that when it is my Mum's time to go I will make sure she will have enough painkiller and it will not take too long.  It seems that every drug given only leads to more side effects. I have seen my Mum starving because she was not able to swallow even liquid due to mucositus - now I hear piankillers caused constipation. How do you cope with all these side effects? I just know cancer is a terrible terrible disease and i really need to hear from others on how to get through what i know is waiting to happen. Mum has decided no more chemo no matter what - so these results we are waiting for - is more for us because we need to know and be prepared. My brothers and I have agreed with Mum - no more chemo - we just want to spend the good days with her and spend time with her. As long as she is happy, that is what we pray for. I am just glad I have you all to listen to my laments.


 
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Primary Liver Cancer + possible Prostate Cancer: Symptoms?

My dad has/had two liver tumors (he just received Radio Frequency Ablation and we have yet to know the results) and has an enlarged prostate. He has had one prostate biopsy with no findings of cancer and is due for a follow up biopsy next week.  He has primary liver cancer and cirrhosis from a lifetime of alcoholism. When we first got the diagnosis, they gave him 3-6  months before quality of life would dwindly, we're almost 6 mos in and I'm starting to see the decline. He struggles with urinary incontinence and hepturia (blood in the urine), and painful elimination  which I guess is due to the prostate.  He also sleeps all of the time now.He's always slept a lot and I suspect that much of it has to do with depression, but now its like 20+ hours/day. He also won't eat very much, maybe half a sandwhich and an Ensure for the whole day, IF I can get him to eat that, some days just ensure. He's increasingly immobile and has begun to be very short winded. Everything wears him out and gives him this awful wheeze (he's also recovering from a bronchial infection) , even just readjusting himself in the bed, and i'm wondering if he's going to need oxygen supplementation soon. He has ascites, and has gained a lot of weight. He's also starting to say really random things that make you wonder, where did that come from?

So, that's a little about the situation at hand. Can anyone tell me what else I can expect? Please be candid. I'm only 22 and completely by myself in this, so the more prepared I am, the better

I also appreciate everyone sharing so openly about their struggles and my heart goes out to you all.


 
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Hi Truimage,

 

Hugs for you. Completely by yourself: try to find as many people as possible to help you out.

 

Some things you describe I recognize from my own father who passed away with a liver filled with little tumors.

 

Depression is sure part of the sleeping and difficult to "adjust with medecine", because every day is different and when you are in a palliative state, the next day will be most likely not as good as today.

 

No sugar coating:

 

The brain seems to have a "lag": you say soething and few minutes later father responds.

 

That's manageable when it's about communication, it's a different story when the brain gets the command: I need to go to the toilet, and the response of actually going takes 5 minutes to one or 2 hours.

 

Father also had a breathing problem. If you guess that breathing is going to become worse, than get your father on oxygen now. Why? To get used to the machine.

 

Again the lag: father's brain didn't understand why the horrible noise making breathing machine was for. So putting the inhaler on his face felt as those images you see from people that try to refuse going to a gaschamber.

 

Nothing wrong with the machine, but get your father used with it as long as his brain is as good as possible.

 

If you need more nursing - hospice- and can afford them, introduce them now. Same reason: getting your father used to these people that will most likely play an important role in his last months.

 

Water built up in the feet: it only reached fathers knees, so that was a relief. Incle of ours was not that lucky and seems he got "drained" in the hospital.

 

Food intake becomes less and less.

 

You can read more about what happens in the last days of liver patients from me and others who went through the same at:

 

Lots of hugs to you and feel free to ask more questions.


 
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Thanks, he's already becoming much more demented and I can't follow the logic anymore. Its just upsetting because he gets himself really worked up and I can't help. Thanks for the sites.


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